Comment and Additional Explanatories
from "The Problems about Jeudo-Christian God.”
By Sunit Sherstha.     04/25/99
Document no. 4

     I am very satisfy that my small essay on “The Problems about Jeudo-Christian God” started some sort of intellectual debates among the readers. Since then, some asked me to write the Comment and explanations on the last text due to its technical aspects of Quantum Physics and Relativity. Let me first address that my intention of the last text was just for the fair guild line for a student who would like to study the conflicts in the bible in order to either protect or argue against the very heart concepts of Christianity. One who wants to protect could study the work and work on some further studies in order to eliminate my original arguments. One who wants to ague against Christianity could also study the essay and develop it into the better arguments.
 
     My personal belief is that no human which live a normal life could gain the ultimate truth. I believe that the ultimate truth is beyond the scope of our ability if we do not truly devote ourselves into the great attainment as Christ, Buddha, Muhamut or others did. As a normal person, one can reach one’s own understanding of ultimate truth by logical deduction which relative to the knowledge of each person.   Other words, it is true that we can not reach the point of the perfect knowledge but we could use theories and logical data to shape our own opinion of ultimate truth.  For example, we do not really know what is the smallest particle that made the paper since the scientists discover new smaller and smaller type of particle every year but we use our logical deduction process to eliminate the false possibility such as we know that the modern paper does not made by Uranium. It is even a very acceptable theory that there is no smallest particle since the particle is our own concept of dividing thing. It’s the same as I try to divide the number of 28 by 2 and divide the answer again by 2 (or any number). I will receive the answers of 14, 7, 3.5, 1.75,  0.875, 0.4375 …….. (forever). There is no end to my process of dividing. Same as the particle I started with Matter divided it to Molecule to Atom to Neutron, Proton, Electron to Meson to quark to……… We may find the different relations of different kinds of particles but the main concept remain the same. With this conclusion we knew that our body consists of infinity possibility of the types of particles. It seems like we live in the reality which made finite out of the infinite.

     Although I do not believe in some sort of supreme perfect being (god) as derived from the words in Bible because of all conflicts and many things that do not make sense to me, but I do not go against the idea of believing in God. Since I believe that I can not reach the ultimate truth by any means, the person who believes in god has the full right to protect the idea of god’s existence.  I think we can debate forever in this topic, the result would be of the great intellectual development of the process of dialectic logical deduction. It is my strong belief that no matter how long we debate, we could not reach the point that could say one is right and other is wrong.  Even god himself appears before the person that does not believe in him, that person could say that “god” is the collective force which collect its existence since the ancient world, it’s still not the highest level, the appearance of god or the feeling of uniting of god could view by the Buddhists and many other Taoists as the state of mind before its highest, before the nothingness. Before the attainment of Nirvana, the total destruction of all illusion. This point of view is not my own personal creation but it was described in great length in many ancient Eastern mysticism books, especially by Buddhism. This view is also adapted by some of the ceremonial magician especially Aleister Crowley.  It is as if we set up the debate between Jesus Christ and Buddha, both claimed to know the ultimate truth, both with the length stories of miracles. I think no one would win the debate because every one has one’s own idea of ultimate reality and since it’s beyond our 4 dimensional reality which is how we perceive our reality, no one can prove one’s own ultimate reality to others.

     Let’s continue into our further explanation on my last essay. I found several topics that require a huge study in order to understand the concepts. My explanations to these previous topics would be just the detailed out line of the study on each topic rather than to explain all topics in one short which would take at least a great big book to explain it in fully detailed and even that, it’s only my idea of limited explanation.

1. Of the problem on “The beginning and the end of the universe” and the concept of “ Everything has its beginning and its end”

First of all let me present you the realms of knowledge that we would enter.  Anything concern time and space must be explains by Theory of Relativity if one would want the good understanding on the subject. Since this topic deal with the macroscopic problem of universe of its origin and its end, we have no way but to enter the very concept of Big Bang - Big Crunch and superstring-quantum universe.

The problem which is the integration of both problems above is that of “God is the first and the last, he create everything.” After such a problem, new problems arise, “So god is the beginning and the end of the universe?” after a great concentration on the problem. My approach is as present below.

Question : Why do there has to be a creator?
Answer : Because we are here! If we are here and the universe is here then somebody must create the universe.
Q: Ok, then who create the creator?
A: Well… god is the beginning and the end (alpha and omega). Therefore, no body create god. Or… there is a god of god who created this god in this universe. (Mormanism)
Q: Amm… Who create that god who created the god? The god of god of god?
A : ????

As you could see, this approach come to the dead end.
So I start another approach. May be after all the problem is not about who creating what, BUT THE RATIONAL CONCEPT OF “WHO CREATING WHAT” ITSELF. So I start the next Q & A to myself.

Q :  Where that I get this idea of that “something must creating some thing if not that thing would not exist” , another words “ There must be the beginning to everything”.
They are not just statements but a reasons. Where did I get these reasons from? What is reason?

A: The reason is what you see many many time in your life which could be called “experience” After some period of time, when one event always act that way, you adopted it in your brain and think that it is a “reason” because it’s “true” and I can prove it.

Q : But!!! Is there any reason that used to be true but not anymore?
A: Yes, there are a lot of reasons that used to regard as always true without any exception. Such as when a ancient person throw the rock up to the air, with in a few seconds, that rock would fall down to earth. This is one of the most un-challenge reason for a very long time until human sent the rocket out from earth. Until we discovered the true nature of universe.  Until we know that this reason does not apply to all events in universe. The only reason that rock fall into the earth is because of the gravity.  This is an example of the reason which used to be un-challengable. As you could see, “reason” consists of our collective experience in this reality. As same as an example, any reason could be challenge by the new understanding which based on our dialectic logical deduction process. I must say that although all reasons could be challenge but that doesn’t mean that there is a possibility that human body could remain immortal. It is against all rules and our understanding of Biology. What I am saying is that we should question every known reason and use all information we have to reconsider that “reason” whether it is still valid or not according to our new knowledge.

 Since the idea of “something must creating some thing if not that thing would not exist” , another words “ There must be the beginning to everything” are nothing but the reasons we derived from our limited experiences. Let’s look at the new knowledge that would change the idea of Newtonian physics that normal persons have.

 I think it’s the good time to start our journey to the Theory of Relativity. First of all, I would not present any mathematical concept which underline the theory itself. The reason to begin this journey is because I want to destroy your reasoning of “Creator” before all things. As I use my own excerpt of the previous essay.

“This concept that “in the beginning god create the universe” came from the primitive idea of ancient time, they thought that time and space are separated, therefore, god is the beginning of the universe.  That make sense from the beginning of human civilization until Albert Einstein discovered the theory of relativity in the beginning of 20th century that is a fact now.  The theory states that space-time are not separated as we thought which eliminated the concept of absolute time of Sir Issac Newton. Time is just another dimension of reality as well as other 3 dimensions (length, width, height). Therefore, god could not create a universe before universe itself exist because since space-time are un-separated dimensions, there is no room for god to create anything before that.”

 Now I will show you why god could not create a universe before universe itself exist. In Special theory of Relativity by Einstein, which is a proven fact, the theory states that the Space and Time are not independent of each other. There are is just the un-separated dimensions as we could perceive it. It all start when the scientist discovered that no matter at what speed they are, the light speed would always the same at around 300,000 km/s. It never change (in a vacuum). That is strange and seems to destroy our reasoning. You see, every thing is relative. If I’m walking 3 km/hour and then I meet another guy who walking at 5 km/hour. His speed relative to me would be 2 km/hours. Because the reason that we say “I’m walking at 5 km/hour and that guy is walking at 5 km/hour” is because it’s the speed of us relative to the earth’s surface. Therefore, in classical logic, if I’m flying real fast at the speed of  1 km/second and the speed of light relative to earth is 300,000 km/s , If I’m travel in the same direction with the beam of light. I should measure the speed of light and get 299,999 km/s (300,000 km/s of speed of light – 1 km/s of my own speed). But the fact is no matter at what speed, the light speed would always be the same. This is very confusing phenomena until Einstein discovered the theory of relativity. Derive from a very abstract mathematics concept of Lorentz, he found that the only way to make sense out of this is to let our 3 dimensional property and time change according to our speed relative to the speed of light. That mean, from all those hard equations, the faster we move, the smaller we get, the greater our mass!, the slower the time around us is. One may think how can one be smaller and yet gain more mass?!!! Well, mass in relativity has a quite different meaning from classical physics which we learned. Mass here increase as the speed increase because not only it carry its own mass but it carry another type of mass that it gains through the speeding. Every one saw this equation E = mc^2. It simply state that mass is energy and energy is mass.  It just emanate in different forms. Therefore, the faster you go, the more energy you need, since energy is also mass, when you have enough energy that allow you to go faster and faster, you also gain more mass.
     At this point, we could see that all dimensions are connected to each other and could not be separate. It’s a like a functions that when you change one, another also changes. As the faster you go, the slower the time relative to you but not other which travel at a different speed.  The best imaginative example is called “the twin paradox” It said that if there is the twin born on the same day, you send one with the space ship that travels relatively close to that of the speed of light. And leave the other child on earth. 50 earth years pass by, that child who you sent to space come back. The child that stay on earth is at the age of 50 but the one you sent out is only 4-5 years old.  The reason is that of the change in speed effects the change in the time also.
  Now, let’s all get back to our ancient original question.

Q : “How could god exist before the very universe?”
A : Scientifically he could not! Since the time and space are not separate, he can’t exist only in “time” and create “space”.

Q: What do you mean? If there is nothing in the universe, or as we say that there is still nothing in the vast space of the universe, then he can create anything and it would not violate any laws in physics, since nothing is there but time and empty space. So god start his creation!!!
A : Well… That Newtonian physics view, not a modern physics. That idea is wrong because there is no true “empty” space, even in a vacuum that we thought it is nothing there but an empty space. Every space could be view as a field, where you could see the matter, there is a very dense fields in that point. Or you could look that some of the Flyman’s diagram about that on every empty space (in Newtonian physics), there is always some physics reaction from nothing into something and to nothing again with in a few billionth of a second.

Q. I guess you have to explain that about Flyman’s diagram more clearly.
A. Yes, I will but not now. It will be our next discussion on Quantum Physics.

Q: OK, What is the conclusion on this problem then?
A. The conclusion is that the idea of “God is the beginning, he create everything before the formation of all things.” Is WRONG! Since if god exist, there must be time which allow him to exist. Since Space and Time are but the connected dimensional function, once there exist the time, there must exist the space. Since, they are no empty space in the universe but the great chain of physics reactions, if the space exist then there must be a lot of reactions going on already and they can’t be a reaction without the thing to react to, therefore, god can’t create every things including the universe itself because of all the reasons presented above.  The whole concept of ““God is the beginning, he create everything before the formation of all things.” Is nothing but a construction of thesis from the very primitive knowledge of the universe. At this point, it is totally destroyed by the approach of the modern physics.

Question : Ok Ok, If god can’t be the beginning of the universe then, what is??!!!!
Answer : Good question, let’s continue the journey into the big-bang big-crunch theory.

Continue :
 - Concerns The infinite cycles of universe according to Big Bang - Big model. (Is there any place for creator? )
 - Concerns the misconception of nothingness according to Quantum physics. (If there is no god, how could we exist?)



Copyright (c) 1999 by Sunit Shrestha.